Làm việc mà không cần bằng đại học?

Joe

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Today I don't give you any fancy JAVA API, but I would like discuss with you about a strange topic that I've found on a Vietnamese forum. A young man asked "Làm việc mà không cần bằng đại học". He wrote:
Ở đây có ai đã đi làm r mà k có bằng đại học k ạ ?
Các anh chị đã học ở đâu khác và quá trình xin đc việc ntn ạ?
Tại em mới bỏ đại học năm 2 lên còn nhiều vướng mắc:((
and a bunch of "job" consultants stormed in and gave him all types of advice. All is very funny, but quite odd. Some excerpts:
- Mình có bằng đại học Thương Mại nhưng hạng trung bình, mình làm frontend
- Ngoài ra, rất nhiều đại tỷ phú đô la trên thế giới không có bằng đại học.
- Không có bằng đại học vẫn có thể xin vào vị trí content creator, SEO, cắt HTML, CSS, triển khai phần mềm cho khách hàng… tuy không cần chuyên môn sâu, nhưng cần am hiểu công việc tí và có kỹ năng mềm, giao tiếp tốt.
First of all: the most basic question is what makes a nation to a developed nation?

1) The high percentage of qualified population: if the percentage is too small the country stays underdeveloped. Otherwise the high percentage lifts the general level and equalizes the level of the unqualified. And that makes a country to a developed nation. An example: Why MIT or Harvard university is famous and respected? It's because of the high percentage of graduates who were very successful in their field. They "heave" the reputation of their university over the other universities and "equalize" the major number of the unsuccessful or the less-successful. If the percentage of the population in a country is highly qualified this country is developed. The qualified people are usually successful in life (as businessmen or businesswomen or researchers or skilled worker or employees, etc.). These people make their nation to a developed nation and equalize the problems caused by the less or the unqualified.

2) The high percentage of law-abided population: The higher the percentage of the population is law-abided the more order a country could enjoy. The respected law and order ensure and nurture the social and wealth development. Lawlessness and chaos usually make a country ungovernable and make it to an underdeveloped nation. An Example: Somalia is the most lawless and the most chaotic nation in Africa. Somalia is also the poorest and the most underdeveloped nation. If the people in Vietnam, for example, respect the traffic laws Vietnam would have less traffic deaths and Vietnam could minimize all the capital damages to the national economy.

So, back to the funny, but odd question of the young man and all the hilarious replied consulting.

- Ở đây có ai đã đi làm r mà k có bằng đại học k ạ ?
A very stupid question. Every adult -regardless of nationality- has to work for the living. If he/ she has NO work, he/she is jobless and has to rely on social welfare or his/her family.

- Tại em mới bỏ đại học năm 2 lên còn nhiều vướng mắc:((
A drop-out who does not know what to do is a loser forever. If someone asks such a question for a job orientation he/she is an unqualified and unskilled person. He/she is more a burden for the company than a co-worker or co-employee in a company. It's here the question of high percentage: if a company has a high percentage of "burden" this company will be very soon broke. If a nation has a high percentage of unqualified and unskilled persons this country is underdeveloped.

- Mình có bằng đại học Thương Mại nhưng hạng trung bình, mình làm frontend.
A qualitative product is the work of a qualified person. IT is currently hot and requires a lot of qualified people. The lack of qualified people leads to a chaotic and planless employment. It's like buying a lottery. The luck to score the jackpot is real, but the probability of loss of money is much higher than scoring the jackpot. An employment of a NON-IT professional as an IT developer is like buying a lottery. If the company has luck it could thrive on the jackpot, otherwise it would wither with the time and then gets broke.

- Không có bằng đại học vẫn có thể xin vào vị trí content creator, SEO, cắt HTML, CSS, triển khai phần mềm cho khách hàng…
Well, that is the most real casino business. The probability to score a jackpot with such IT developers is probably more difficult than to land on the moon with a tinkered spacecraft. And the customers of such "lateral recruited" IT developers are really the poorest, the most pitiful customers.

- Ngoài ra, rất nhiều đại tỷ phú đô la trên thế giới không có bằng đại học.
It's a real consolation for a drop-out =)) A real whiz-kid won't come to a forum and asks for a job orientation, but knows exactly what he/she wants and will do. Btw, how many whiz-kids in the US are the drop-outs? Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg are both the Harvard drop-outs, but both men were excellent in the school during their young age. So, don't be a fool to believe that every drop-out could become a US$ billionaire.

Further, if (university) education is less important or "meaningless" then the quintessential question is why every State in the world spends so much money for the (university) education? High education is not superfluous, but the foundation for the continuous development of a nation. The (university) education is NOT the real proof of your knowledge, but it is more or less the very proof of your steadfastness and your endurance to achieve every purpose. In this case: the (university) graduation. The real qualification is only achieved by experiences on the job. And experiences require the most solid bases which are only provided by the university: Systematical thinking, structural planning and scientific realizing. Vietnam can only develop if the percentage of its qualified population is high enough to equalize and to absorb the burdens caused by the less or unqualified mass.

Btw, the university won't teach you how to code, but how to think logically and what binary, octal, hex are and how they differ from decimal. Without a solid education (here: university) the "lateral IT coders" cause more havoc than benefit for an emerging nation. The following posting from the above mentioned forum says it all:
Em dùng câu lệnh cout << 0123; tại sao giá trị lại ra 83 mà không phải là 123 ạ!
Em nghĩ C++ nó hiểu đây là giá trị số nguyên và tự bỏ số 0 đi chứ??
 
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Hi Joe, my friend!
Well, I was the person who asked that question. Back to 2010, I was a naive and moderate youngling, a "know nothing" John Snow. My high school score is not good, financial status didn't give me much choices, so instead of trying to go to a university, I chose a college one (maybe you know FPT- Aptech), what doesn't require a test to join in. And total money for the school is less than actual 4 years in university, I assumed.
When 2 years of the class was over, I tried to get a job, but painfully I recognized that my certificate is not a good one to get job. I was rejected most of the time, I had to live with parents without any money in pocket, they also had to pay for gas for my bike for interviews, lol. But fortunately, whenever I was interviewed (and failed), I studied those questions in interviews and then learn it myself. Sooner, I get the job after 3 months. To think of it, I believe that I got the first job because I chose Java, I was consistent with it, not .Net, not Javascript, not Php, (at that time those positions was among the hottest).

Another reason that I am successful in Java and get higher positions in work because of you. You've taught us a lot of Java lessons, most of them are advances, and weren't taught in colleges (I believe so), so I have chance to study it broader and deeper in CS topics.

Back to those questions you mentioned, clearly they are stupid questions, but to think deeply about it, I think reason they asks those questions is because they want to choose a short and easy path. Don't want to study, don't want to spend countless of hours to practice, but want to have high salary, to get easy jobs is really a critical mindset. Sometimes when I met my high school friends, they often ask my salary and told that IT jobs are easily get high salary, or how it's hot, then I smiled.

Today, I sometimes recruit internships who changes their career from other fields (not drop-out), but an important question I always ask them why they want to change? Some are for higher salary, some are getting interest in logic and code, and then I always go hard on them, I tell them, "No, you are in a position that have less opportunities than who is in universities, you are lack of knowledge foundation, lack of experiences. You have to try hard 10 times than them, otherwise you will go back to your old self, and you waste your time (also mine) and you go nowhere. And sooner or later, you will become a loser for both careers". They now have job in other companies, one are following me to build product, and I still observe them to know what kind of answer guides them for more successful, both in work and life (behavior study, haha).

Hence, Không có bằng đại học vẫn có thể xin vào vị trí content creator, SEO, cắt HTML, CSS, triển khai phần mềm cho khách hàng… => they are wrong, those works are relied on skillful and knowledge; like SEO position, those people have high skills is easily get high pay-out jobs and can get very big ROI for organizations that implement it properly, it is not a low-level job.Too bad, the person answers this has no clue about it, shame on him/her.
 
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Joe

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Bonjour mon ami Nancru.
C'est vrai que tu as dit. La vie est belle, mais c'est aussi très dur pour quelqu'un qui n'a pas une bonne éducation... :D Un peu de français pour toi...

I am glad to hear from you every now and again. It's a very good sign that you are well, in good shape and still on good progress. Anyway, you have achieved your higher goal and still make steady progress because you have comprehended the importantness of education -regardless of college or university. It was the solid foundation and the rest was only a question of the time and patience to gain and to build up experiences. And experiences express themselves in manifold forms:
  • the way how you analyze and solve the technical problems,
  • the way how you view the technological aspects,
  • the way how you set up the realization plans,
  • the way how you manage the projects,
  • the way how you delegate the tasks,
  • etc.
 
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